Witwe von Bruno Apitz: Alle Höhen, Tiefen und Schmerzen miterlebt

Hanno Müller
| Lesedauer: 9 Minuten
Marlis Apitz, die Witwe von Bruno Apitz, vor der Premiere von "Nackt unter Wölfen" in Weimar. Foto: Marco Kneise

Marlis Apitz, die Witwe von Bruno Apitz, vor der Premiere von "Nackt unter Wölfen" in Weimar. Foto: Marco Kneise

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Weimar. Ein Gespräch mit Marlis Apitz, der Witwe des Buchautors von "Nackt unter Wölfen", über die Zeit mit Bruno Apitz und sein Lebenswerk.

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